Connects with A&EC, A&R, D&S, PN, SCL, SOUTHERN and WSSB. Freight service only. 383.3 Miles from Norfolk, VA. to Charlotte, NC. 17.1 Miles from Norfolk, VA to Virginia Beach, VA. 10.4 Miles from Norfolk to Shelton(Little Creek)VA. 31.5 Miles from Phosphate Junction to Lee Creek, NC. 17 Miles from Pinetown and Belhaven, NC 31.1 Miles from Chocowinity to New Bern, NC 16.5 Miles from New Bern to Bayboro, NC. 42.9 Milesfrom Varina to Fayetteville, NC. 40.5 Miles from Duncan to Durham, NC. 33.3 Miles from Star to Aberdeen, NC.
Number Mf'gr Model Date 1-17 EMD GP-18 1963 661 BLW DS-4-4-660 1946 662 BLW DS-4-4-660 1947 663 BLW DS-4-4-660 1947 701-703 GE 70 Ton 1948 1001 BLW DS-4-4-1000 1946 1002 BLW DS-4-4-1000 1946 1501 BLW DRS-6-6-1500 1946 1502-1510 BLW DRS-6-6-1500 1947 1601-1605 BLW AS-416 1951 1606-1610 BLW AS-416 1952 1611-1613 BLW AS-416 1954 1614-1617 BLW AS-416 1955 2001-2004 EMD GP-38 1966 2005-2007 EMD GP-38 1967 **PICTURES**
PAINT MIXESAll color mixes are based on PollyScale Acrylics paint numbers.
All bottle sizes are 1 fluid ounce size.
Capful refers to the cap on the bottle.
HK=Herald King decals for reference only these are no longer available.
C=Custom made on Alps Printer
NORFOLK SOUTHERN Vermillion w/stripes 1601-1617 1947-57 Vermillion-Soo Line Red #414212 add 1 cap CNW Yellow # 414191 Black-engine black #414110 decals-none available
NORFOLK SOUTHERN Solid vermillion 1601-1602 only 1957-1963 Vermillion-Soo Line Red #414212 add 1 cap CNW Yellow # 414191 Black-engine black #414110 decals-none available NORFOLK SOUTHERN Vermillion with medallion 1603-1617 1957-1963 Vermillion-Soo Line Red #414212 add 1 cap CNW Yellow # 414191 Black-engine black #414110 decals-none available NORFOLK SOUTHERN Gray & Black GP-18, GP38 and repaints 1963-1974 Gray-CSX gray #414218 add 1/2 cap reefer white # 414113 Black-engine black #414110 decals-MS #87-135
MODELING DETAILS-NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAILROADSam, I use polly S three parts Milwalkee Road Gray to one part aged concrete. Do not use the regular concrete; it's just gray. The aged concrete has a yellow "hue" to it. Err on the side of the gray, not the side of aged concrete. eg 4 pts Mil. gray to 1 pt aged conc. will also give you a variation of the NS paint. But the 3-1 mix gives the as new paint. Marshall Stewart 07/12/01 HISTORY Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 Subject: Norfolk and Southern (old) There has been a little discussion lately on the old NS. I think those gray engines are "cool" (as my daughters would say). I don't know much about this railroad, except for the little write up in Tidewater Triangle. Was the NS basically a bridgeline, or did it have some online traffic? John Moenius Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 Subject: Re: Norfolk and Southern (old) This is a topic large enough for a book; and hopefully one will be out soon. In a nutshell, the NS Ry had both, but was primarily an originating/terminating carrier. In the later years that I became familiar with it (1965-1973), major NS traffic categories were sand/gravel/aggregates; brick products, usually in boxcars, typically NS 1200-1300 series combination door cars (a number of brick producers were/are located in the vicinity of Brickhaven, NC, a little north of Sanford); forest products, both pulpwood and chips and outbound paper products from 2 large on-line Weyerhaeuser Mills in Plymouth, NC (served jointly with ACL/SCL) and Vanceboro, NC; phosphate mine products to/from Texas Gulf Sulfur in Aurora, NC (served by a built-new-in-1964 branch noteworthy for having concrete ties); inbound rubber and carbon black and outbound tires from Kelly-Springfield north of Fayetteville, NC (this business was the reason for NS's unique 40 ft exterior post rebuilt boxcars with 10 ft doors that survived well into the SR era; tobacco products (NS's small fleet of piggyback trailers were built for cigarette business from American Tobacco in Durham, NC, in sight of the Durham "rail corridor" but served only by NS); and the usual staple southeastern commodities of agricultural products, cement, coal (for the CP&L power plant at Moncure, NC served from the NS agency at Brickhaven) and the East Carolina College steam plant in Greenville, NC to name 2 traffic sources. In earlier times, the NS originated a lot of peach traffic from the sandhills region of NC. Bridge traffic was there, too. Two consistent commodities I recall seeing consistently in (the daily) westbound NS through freight were carloads of automobile frames stacked on flatcars that were received off the PRR/PC at Little Creek, VA (they came down the PRR Delmarva line and were carfloated across Chesapeake Bay) and the string of FGE insulated boxcars with PRR/PC reporting marks - I don't know what they carried but they were always there. Auto parts boxcars were also usually in these trains, as were dimensionally large loads, usually steel plate. The above is just a sketch of NS Ry business that I recall, and I'm certain others can add to this minimal data. Bob Graham Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 Subject: Old Norfolk Southern Ry Book and Status Several recent posts have asked about existence of books on the NS besides R.Prince's steam roster study. In fact one has been done and is currently at the publisher. Hopefully it will be available in late spring 2000 according to one of the authors. It will cover history, operations, locomotives - some steam, mostly Diesel, revenue and non-revenue rolling stock up to the Southern merger 1/1/74. I have seen a significant part of the photo coverage and it is comprehensive and of high quality. The book will cover both mainline and branchline operations in both color and black and white. Stay tuned; if this one doesn't do the job, I'm sure another attempt will be made. All major parts of the old NS are essentially still in existence as they were at the SR merger 1/1/74. The only significant portion of the NS mainline no longer around is the Albemarle Sound bridge and trackage from Edenton to Mackeys, which was abandoned by NS in the 1980's. Three branchlines have been abandoned since the merger and are no longer run: Va. Beach branch; Bayboro branch; and the Durham branch. While significant portions of the old NS have been sold off or leased to other operators under the Thoroughbread Shortline program, the track is still there and most of it is still operated. Following is a summary of who has what part of the NS trackage as it existed circa 1974: Carolina Jct to Edenton - Chesapeake & Albemarle RR (Railtex) Virginia Beach branch - mostly abandoned (Tidewater residents - is track still in to Oceana NAS ?) Belhaven branch - Pinetown to Belhaven - Carolina Coastal Ry (G&W Ind) Mackeys to Pinetown to Chocowinity, including Weyerhaeuser spur in Plymouth - NS Corp Aurora branch (to Texas Gulf/PCS Phosphate @ Lee Creek) - NS Corp (was built new by NS in 1964 partially on the roadbed of the at-the-time recently abandoned ACL/Washington & Vandemere Ry) Chocowinity to Bridgeton to New Bern - NS Corp Bayboro branch (Bridgeton to Bayboro) - abandoned by Southern Ry and "back to nature" Chocowinity to Raleigh - NS Corp Raleigh to Fuquay Varina to Gulf - NS Corp (significant changes in the former NS/A&Y interchange @ Gulf) Fuquay Varina to Fayetteville - NS Corp Lillington to Becker Plant - abandoned by Southern Ry (5 mile line to Becker Sand & Gravel Becker Plant) Duncan to Durham - abandoned by Southern Ry, except for several miles North of the former CSX diamond at Bonsal operated by the New Hope Valley RR and the spur into CP&L Nuclear Plant south of Bonsal Brickhaven to CP&L Moncure plant - NS corp Gulf to Star to Charlotte - Aberdeen Carolina & Western RR (independently owned) Star to Aberdeen - AC&W RR This listing is NOT an all-inclusive list of ALL NS RY trackage operated and/or abandoned by NS in years prior to 1960. For old roadbed hounds, there are still portions of the roadbed of the NS Asheboro branch (abandoned circa 1951), originally part of the A&A, still clearly visible through Steeds and just south of Seagrove along old US 220. Portions of the Elerbee branch are also still visible in places both north and south of Norman. The NS Ry depot was still standing in a woodyard the last time I was through Norman about 4 years ago, still painted faded lime green with a bad lean. The RR virtually paralleled US 220 here, just like the Aberdeen branch (AC&W) still parallels US 220 and NC 5. A few depots are still standing, including Elizabeth City, NC, Star, NC, Lillington, NC (but moved away from tracks), Robbins, NC, Candor, NC, Brickhaven, NC, Colon, NC to name a few. Recent posts to this list have revealed the existence of several NS RY cabooses. NC Transportation Museum in Spencer has a bay window (boxcar reblt) caboose restored to gray and NS AS416 1616 also restored to gray, along with a MofW boom car. A former MofW passenger car is on the AC&W - this is originally a D&RGW car bought used by NS. There is more, but this information will get you started. Bob Graham Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 Subject: Re: Old Norfolk Southern Ry Book and Status Robert F. Graham, Jr. wrote: snip > All major parts of the old NS are essentially still in existence as they > were at the SR merger 1/1/74. The only significant portion of the NS > mainline no longer around is the Albemarle Sound bridge and trackage from > Edenton to Mackeys, which was abandoned by NS in the 1980's. Three > branchlines have been abandoned since the merger and are no longer run: Va. > Beach branch; Bayboro branch; and the Durham branch. While significant > portions of the old NS have been sold off or leased to other operators under > the Thoroughbread Shortline program, the track is still there and most of it > is still operated. Following is a summary of who has what part of the NS > trackage as it existed circa 1974: > > Carolina Jct to Edenton - Chesapeake & Albemarle RR (Railtex) > Virginia Beach branch - mostly abandoned (Tidewater residents - is track > still in to Oceana NAS ?) > Belhaven branch - Pinetown to Belhaven - Carolina Coastal Ry (G&W Ind) > Mackeys to Pinetown to Chocowinity, including Weyerhaeuser spur in > Plymouth - NS Corp > Aurora branch (to Texas Gulf/PCS Phosphate @ Lee Creek) - NS Corp (was built > new by NS in 1964 partially > on the roadbed of the at-the-time recently abandoned ACL/Washington & > Vandemere Ry) > Chocowinity to Bridgeton to New Bern - NS Corp > Bayboro branch (Bridgeton to Bayboro) - abandoned by Southern Ry and "back > to nature" > Chocowinity to Raleigh - NS Corp NS Corp is doing a great deal of business on this line, much of it coming from the phosphate/sulphur business at Lee Creek. The mid-day train 349 or 449 is leaving Raleigh for Linwood with 125+ cars on a regular basis, and the evening trains are just as long. They make a nice sight (and sound!) working around the curve at Boylan and working the long grade up thru the NC State campus. Plus make an easy roof shot as well :) > Raleigh to Fuquay Varina to Gulf - NS Corp (significant changes in the > former NS/A&Y interchange @ Gulf) > Fuquay Varina to Fayetteville - NS Corp > Lillington to Becker Plant - abandoned by Southern Ry (5 mile line to Becker > Sand & Gravel Becker Plant) > Duncan to Durham - abandoned by Southern Ry, except for several miles North > of the former CSX diamond > at Bonsal operated by the New Hope Valley RR and the spur into CP&L > Nuclear Plant south of Bonsal A clarification of my clarification - the below is discussing the Duncan-Durham branch... A touch of clarification - significant parts of the original (as built by NS Rwy) roadbed are underneath Jordan Lake which was built c. 1973. The parts that belong to the New Hope Valley are almost entirely the section built by the Army Corps of Engineers to replace said inundated sections. NHV has about 6 miles of this, plus evidently owns some of the old roadbed - the old/new split was just north of where they keep their equipment. South of the split, they extend perhaps 300 yards, over OLD US-1. Two bridges cross old US-1, one heading straight to a 90 deg crossing of the SAL, the other at an angle to make a northward connection with the SAL. Note that the NHV is isolated, with no connections at either end, alledgely due to poor behavior on the part of previous club members when they were in Farmville, NC. South of the SAL, the old NS is used as a switch lead in the Carolina Power & Light Shearon Harris nuke plant. Again, no physical connection to the NHV. Beyond the power plant it's gone. Otherwise, the old roadbed is fading rapidly to nature, but parts of it are being preserved as hiking trails in Durham County. Oldtimers may recall where it went under US 64 west of Apex. When 64 was four-laned in the past 5 years, the bridge was removed and filled in. If one doesn't know where the right of way was, it's tough to see. snip > Recent posts to this list have revealed the existence of > several NS RY cabooses. NC Transportation Museum in Spencer has a bay window > (boxcar reblt) caboose restored to gray and NS AS416 1616 also restored to > gray, along with a MofW boom car. A former MofW passenger car is on the > AC&W - this is originally a D&RGW car bought used by NS. There is more, but > this information will get you started. Also extant are a tool car and a work flat, both at Bonsal NC on the New Hope Valley Rwy. Craig Zeni Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 Subject: Re: Old Norfolk Southern Ry Book and Status On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Robert F. Graham, Jr. wrote: > Several recent posts have asked about existence of books on the NS besides > R.Prince's steam roster study. In fact one has been done and is currently at > the publisher. Hopefully it will be available in late spring 2000 according > to one of the authors. It will cover history, operations, locomotives - some > steam, mostly Diesel, revenue and non-revenue rolling stock up to the > Southern merger 1/1/74. I have seen a significant part of the photo coverage > and it is comprehensive and of high quality. The book will cover both > mainline and branchline operations in both color and black and white. Stay > tuned; if this one doesn't do the job, I'm sure another attempt will be > made. Please keep us informed. I'd love to get a copy. > For old roadbed hounds, there are still portions of the roadbed of the NS > Asheboro branch (abandoned circa 1951), originally part of the A&A, still > clearly visible through Steeds and just south of Seagrove along old US 220. > Portions of the Elerbee branch are also still visible in places both north > and south of Norman. The NS Ry depot was still standing in a woodyard the > last time I was through Norman about 4 years ago, still painted faded lime > green with a bad lean. The RR virtually paralleled US 220 here, just like Actually it's Ellerbe. :-) My hometown. The NS had a Wye in the Lumber yard in town. My dad ran that place and there used to be a picture ( an aerial shot) of this area that hung in the main office. I sure wish I could have grabbed that picture when the place closed. The line ran right past my uncle's Feed and Seed place. Still there. The person that was part owner of the Lumber Co. tried to buy the line when NS put it up for sale. I think this was '58. The Southern barely outbid him, and pulled up the rails. I have no idea why they did this. At least this is the story I was told. I was born 12/58 so I missed it all. You could always tell where the line went when I was growning up, it made for a sad tale. I've looked around town at many an auction trying to find some old pictures of structures and locos, but so far have had no such luck. Ellerbe was a poor farming town so I guess train pictures were considered frivolous waste of good money. Robert Henderson Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 Subject: Re: Old Norfolk Southern Ry Book and Status >Virginia Beach branch - mostly abandoned (Tidewater residents - is track >still in to Oceana NAS ?) When did this happen? I'd have to check on the Oceana part, but the rest of the line is still intact as far as I know. David Thompson Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 Subject: Re: Old Norfolk Southern Ry Book and Status Robert, Interesting post; it's amazing what a small world it is. I've driven around Ellerbee trying to ascertain the exact track layout there. It's easy to see where it came into town (a Railroad Ave in a town with none is a good clue), but I've not been able to figure the exact layout. The aerial view would be great. I do recall the lumber yard. There is also a lumber yard in Norman that straddles the right of way. It is in this facility that the Norman depot reposed for so long. It is interesting that a similar situation existed in Ellerbee. I recall a trip to Myrtle Beach from our home in Burlington, NC in 1957. My dad chose a route that took us down US 220 to Rockingham. I clearly recall the track alongside the road, right on the shoulder for most of the way. Several flatcars with ends (what I now know as pulpwood cars) were in a siding. Unfortunately, I was 10 at the time and several years away from begining to take pictures. We came down this same route a couple of years later and the track was gone; only the roadbed remained. I've been down that way many times since and recall the old peach sheds being torn down one by one. The right of way has slowly disappeared, due as much to it being built over as anything. Bob Graham Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 Subject: Old Norfolk Southern Information A couple of bits of clarification and correction. First, the good news for old NS fans: it appears I attempted to kill off the Va Beach branch before its time. After reading James Thompson's post on this subject, I went to a more authoritative source to check. And sure enough, even though I THOUGHT it was essentially gone, NS Corp Virginia Div Timetable #5 (4/26/98 - the most recent one in my collection) says it is still in existence from Tidewater to Va Beach at M.P. 15.4 in all its restricted-to-10 mph glory. My error on that one. The last time I was up there, it sure looked like not much had run over it in a while. So, another part of the old NS is still around. Amend my comment to show the Va Beach branch still in service and operated by NS Corp. Thanks, James. Craig Zeni's additional info on the Durham branch is accurate. Much of the original route north of Bonsal lies below the waters of Jordan Lake. While this Corps of Engineers project was being planned and executed to assist in the rapid overgrowth and ruination of the Research Triangle, the NS and Southern were in discussions to merge. A little better and forthright job of corporate communication would have saved some taxpayer dollars, as this line relocation was done at taxpayer expense. Southern apparently had no inkling of how future land values and area development would explode, as they wasted no time getting rid of the old NS Durham branch trackage, with the additional exception noted below. The project's completion came about a year prior to the merger. Southern already possesed a superior line into Durham and didn't need NS's poorly built line devoid of online traffic. SR did retain and operate for a time the trackage from D&SC Jct to Keene Yd and the deadend line to American Tobacco. Southern did station a SW1 (normally the 1010) on the former NS line to switch American Tobacco Company's once vast mfg plant just south of the Southern's NC line (but not physically connected to it due to significant grade elevation differences). This service ceased when ATC closed the Durham plant and consolidated their remaining cigarette manufacturing operations in Reidsville, NC. The old NS Durham trackage was ultimately pulled up after service was no longer needed. I also posted some information in response to Robert Henderson's interesting personal recollections on the Ellerbee branch. Any further additions and corrections are most welcome; they can only add to the body of our knowledge. Bob Graham Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 Subject: Re: Old Norfolk Southern Ry Book and Status Ellerbe. One e. It's a home town thing. Railroad Ave was the line. It ran down to the Ellerbe Lumber Co. and then into the yard. There were a couple of yard tracks beside Ledbetter Road, then a track went down parallel to Ledbetter to form one leg of the wye. The track then ran behind the ELC and another leg of the wye parallelled 220 down to about where there is now a produce stand/beer joint. The wye tied back into the line about where the Railroad Ave met Ledbetter. I understand the NS pulled up the rail but I clearly remember there being rail left under the dirt in the Lumber yard. I really wish I could locate a copy of that Photo in the main office. I don't recall any engines but it had several cars in the picture both box cars and pulpwood and mabye a flat or two. I think the ELC had it taken as a publicity thing. The rails didn't follow 220. They veered to the east of 220 heading north, I think it's called Crawford Rd. The rails ran past some peach packhouses on this road and came back beside 220 around DeWitts or what was then called Ruby Orchards. Then they ran up through Norman and followed 220. We used to hunt the land in this area and in the late 60s you could still tell where the road bed was. I was there today and rode around the Norman Lumber yard. I didn't see the old station, I was looking for it. I didn't get serious about it as I was on my way home so it may yet be standing. Robert Henderson The Norfolk Southern Railway Company was a class A rairoad that operated from Norfolk, VA to Charlotte, NC, with various branchlines along the way. Over 35%of the roads traffic was hauling gravel, rock, sand and other aggragates, including a large increase in phospate traffic after 1967 from Lee Creek, NC. Pulpwood accounted for around 15% of traffic, a all headed for Warehouser plants in eastern NC. NS also shipped wood chips and chemicals to the plants and shipped out paper in boxcars. 12% of the traffic was in the form of bricks from the Sanford, NC area. Large brick mills at Colon, Brickhaven, Lee Brick, Chatham Brick, and others operated 6-7 days a week. 8% of traffic was in pulpboard and paperboard being shipped, 6% grain to various feed mills--five in the Robbins, NC area alone, tobacco and tobacco products a little over 6% as well, around 3% gas and oil traffic, the remainder included various shipments ranging from LCL merchadise, automobile frames to Charlotte for Oldsmobile, a few NS piggyback trailers, bi-level auto carriers taking miliary jeeps to Aberdeen to the A&R headed for Ft. Bragg (large movements during the Vietnam and Korean Wars), tanks and other military vehicals/weapons under armed guard, large generators from Westinghouse, and served as a main shipper of highly oversized loads up a portion of the east coast since there were no small tunnels or "tight places" that would restrict movements. Larges movement of coal was from Norwood (Winston-Salem Southbound) to CP&L power plant near Raleigh. Train 64 usually picked these up, but on occasion 2-3 units were sent out as an extra from Raleigh to pick the cars up to avoid exceeding maximum tunnage limits--though it was exceeded somewhat frequently causing the need to double head the Charlotte-Norfolk train 64 near Robbins. Almost any commodity you can think up was, at one point or another, hauled by the NS. They also had the friendliest crew members I know of. Yes, there is an NS book AT the publishers. Will be around 125-200 pages long with pictures galore along with in depth text. The delay is with the publisher....all that needs to be done is the spot the pictures with the proper text. The next meeting of the NS Historical Society will be in November of this year in Apex...if all goes as planned. I will update this information though. On a personal side, I'm back to modeling now with my son quietly settling into this thing called life. He's a joy. I'm waiting for construction to start on home renovations and a separate 32X48' building that will house my Norfolk Southern Raleigh to Charlotte Western Division layout. Former NS employee and current ns road conductor Bill McDonald is assisting me with getting it as accurate as possible. We've be out scanning the old mainline and sharing stories and taking pictures. Warren Calloway and Bob Graham have also aided me with pictures of various NS rolling stock to model. HOPE to have a sampling of NS equipment in Charlotte for the SMRF meet later this year. SEE HIS MODELS Marshall Stewart 07/21/01 In the early-mid 70's, there was a contractor yard in Newport News, VA, at the Mercury Blvd overpass of the C&O yard (now CSXT) . They would get several carloads of brick each week, and it almost always came in NS Rwy 50' combination door boxcars, or NF&D 50' DD ACF boxcars. I was writing down the different numbers at the time, but have long since lost those notes. Russell Underwood
NORFOLK SOUTHERN ROSTER PAINT SCHEMESNumber Mf'gr Model Date 661-663 BLW DS 4-4-660 1947-63 Vermillion red w/gold-black trim 701-703 GE 70 ton 1942-63 Vermillion red w/gold-black trim 1001-1002 BLW DS 4-4-1000 1942-63 Vermillion red w/gold-black trim 1501-1510 BLW DRS 6-4-1500 1947-63 Vermillion red w/gold-black trim Note 1 1601-1617 BLW AS416 1951-63 Vermillion red w/gold-black trim 1-17 EMD GP-18 1966-73 Gray/black w/black trim 2001-2007 EMD GP-38 1966-73 Gray/black w/black trim Note 1. #1504, 1507 & 1508 sold to Durham & Southern in 1965-66.
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